tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post7660691882846319479..comments2024-03-20T18:38:31.327-05:00Comments on Havolim: Gemilus Chasadim of GentilesEliezer Eisenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16036989084122930226noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-59958584922238183882009-01-12T18:02:00.000-06:002009-01-12T18:02:00.000-06:00Chaim, I looked at the Federal Statute, and while ...Chaim, I looked at the Federal Statute, and while keeping it may be illegal, throwing it into the garbage, as far as I can tell, is fine. <BR/>http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1708.html<BR/><BR/>Micha, I looked at Reb Elchonon, Ma'amarim and Shiurim, and he is not talking about Chesed Le'umim Chatas. He is talking about why the Gemara compares a Scrooge to an Oveid Avoda Zara, and he says because it is idolatry to think that possessing money will save you, when in fact it is only Chesed Hashem that will save you. Lo yo'il hon le'yom evra-- but if you have zechusim, then even though you gave your money away, Utzedaka tatzil mimaves.<BR/>And- what Rabbeinu Bachya?<BR/><BR/>Anonymous of January 11- By the way, if you'll look at the mefarshim in Mishlei 14:34, you will see that almost nobody says what the Gemara in BB says. <BR/>Meiri: It shames us, because if they, not having gotten the Torah, give, why don't we give ten times more?<BR/>Ibn Ezra: Of course tzedaka is a zechus for goyim, and the Raya is from Nevuchadnezar-- "chata'eich bitzedaka perok."<BR/>Rashi-- Goyishe tzedaka is sinful because they are just giving away money they stole. (If he thinks only goyim do this, the IE must not have been reading the paper lately....)<BR/>Ralbag: Jewish charity is a zechus. The belief among Goyim that self-affliction is meritorious is wrong; it is really sinful.<BR/>Malbim: It refers to Jews as well as Goyim.<BR/><BR/>I would have looked at the Gaon's pirush, but my Mishlei is missing from perek 11 to 21.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous January 12 5:15- Absolutely. I made that clearer in the post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-3851332564584725902009-01-12T17:15:00.000-06:002009-01-12T17:15:00.000-06:00Note carefully that hashavas aveidah is permitted ...Note carefully that hashavas aveidah is permitted bizman hazeh only because of kiddush Hashem. Otherwise, there would be an underlying issur. The question is, when we fulfill hashavas aveidah, shouldn't we keep in mind that it is a hora'as sha'ah, and the etzem ma'aseh is otherwise ossur - and the reasons why it is ossur? This in itself will help mitigate the negative aspects of "violating" this "non-intercourse" mitzvah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-86010835484030792452009-01-12T14:42:00.000-06:002009-01-12T14:42:00.000-06:00I think keeping your neigbors' mail may be a feder...I think keeping your neigbors' mail may be a federal crime.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, how is it lo techaneim when you are giving the person what is righfully (and lawfully) their own property? Wouldn't it be returning an aveidah, and don't we pasken that this is permitted b'zman hazeh because of kiddush Hashem?Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-11820578358962611442009-01-12T09:17:00.000-06:002009-01-12T09:17:00.000-06:00Actually, R' Elchanan Wasserman discusses the gema...Actually, R' Elchanan Wasserman discusses the gemara (BB 10b), and shows that "chessed le'umim chatas" is a condemnation of paganism. He quotes numerous rishonim to make his point. Paganism is an approach to religion which is about keeping the gods happy so as to get what one wants. And thus, even their "chessed" is self-serving and chatas.<BR/><BR/>IOW, the Baal haTanya is giving an interpretation which disagrees with a stream of explaining the gemara dating back to at least R' Bachya, if not older.<BR/><BR/>-michamichahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13610506439687098313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-36609980530355760522009-01-11T20:20:00.000-06:002009-01-11T20:20:00.000-06:00Yes, it could mean that. In fact, there is a Gemar...Yes, it could mean that. In fact, there is a Gemara in BB 10b that brings many tana'im that learn the passuk like the Baal Hatanya. And the Gemara then brings RY Ben Zakai that learns that chesed of Goyim is meritorious for them. AND it could mean that it is a chatas le'yisrael, because we should be so much better by comparison, having received the Torah. How would you taitch ohp the Chasidei Umos Ha'olam that jeopardized the life of their families by hiding Jews, while certain Jewish communities turned their back on refugees from other Eastern European countries? You should just hear what Harav Avraham Cohen, the celebrated mohel, has to say about his experiences as a young partisan during WWII, who, having escaped into a certain eastern european country, was turned away from Jewish home after Jewish home, because the residents didn't want to antagonize the local authorites, who, as of the moment, weren't killing local Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-81592055289596425432009-01-11T19:27:00.000-06:002009-01-11T19:27:00.000-06:00Methinks the Tanyah interprets "Chesed LeUmim Chat...Methinks the Tanyah interprets "Chesed LeUmim Chatas" that even their chesed is a sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-13468305279568003982009-01-11T16:54:00.000-06:002009-01-11T16:54:00.000-06:00Therfore "ZI IZ GEVAIN AN INZEREH" "ACHAD MISHELUN...Therfore "ZI IZ GEVAIN AN INZEREH" "ACHAD MISHELUNU".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8955681.post-8719602977955551282009-01-11T16:52:00.000-06:002009-01-11T16:52:00.000-06:00Yordo Litvol Litzorich Tevilah Litzorich Geirus fo...Yordo Litvol Litzorich Tevilah Litzorich Geirus for YIchus Yisroel VNIREH LI after the tevillah was the MIMAYIM MOSCISICHUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com